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Matt Kempke- 11-10-2007
Ireland and UK
Hi there, I'm planning to go on a 1-2 week trip next early next year ... preferably to ireland and maybe uk... any hints or insider info on really nice places? I'm going with a friend and she suggested to stay somewhere for a couple of days (so no hiking or roadtripping all the time)... maybe at the sea. But I'm greatful for any suggestions!

bigmac- 11-10-2007

If you're going to Ireland, be sure to make it out the the Kerry peninsula (or in general, the south west coast). Your friend – is she anyone I know?

fatbuoy1- 11-10-2007

You going North or South? It would be a mistake to miss the North Antrim 'Causeway Coast'... its just spectacular! You could spend a day (or a couple) walking along the 'Causeway Coast', from Portstewart beach (where the song 'Red Sails in the Sunset was written) right round to Belfast (where the Titanic was built). You'd be on sandy beaches and grassy cliffs the whole way, experiencing great history (google 'Dunluce Castle'), great Geography (google 'The Giant's Causeway'... its a world heritage sight) and is just absolutely beautiful, especially for a hiker. Theres wee nooks and crannys you'll discover all along the way that you won't see in any tourist brochure but are just amazing to experience, and im saying this having lived nearby all my life! Theres also the Mourne mountains (which sweep down to the sea, as the song says), and Rathlin Island just off the coast, which is popular with hikers and has a large population of quite rare birds, puffins and whatnot if you're into that. If you need any more reasons, let me know :D And also I'd love to shake the hand of the creator of WMYT!

NigeC- 11-10-2007

If you where going to the UK i can recommend the lake district, beatrix potter bought up most of the land that was destined for industry, when she died it went to the national trust thus preserving it for all time Whitby is nice on the north east coast, loads of history, Bram Stoker used Whitby as the inspiration for Dracula, the stone Abbey is breath taking Scarborough is also nice but its getting a bit to touristy for my liking.. And of course Scotland!

Matt Kempke- 11-11-2007

Hey! Thanks for the hints so far, I'll do some reasearch based on that - what I've seen so far by googling those places looked great. Your friend – is she anyone I know? I'll tell you later :) And also I'd love to shake the hand of the creator of WMYT! Where exactly are you living? Should be fun to meet for a beer! Would be great if we could arrange something. Nige, Whitby looks nice ... captain cook, uh? Cool! :)

fatbuoy1- 11-11-2007

Im from a town called Ballymoney, but im studying at University in Belfast, so live there during the week. When are you planning on coming?

bigmac- 11-11-2007

Hey Chris, I remember hearing about tension between Ireland and Northern Ireland... what is the basis for that? Seems like everyone had something bad to say about the other one but never a reason to explain it.

fatbuoy1- 11-11-2007

Haha, do you have a few years? Read this if you want the full, and accurate, story http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles Ok England conquered Ireland many many years ago, back in the days of Oliver Cromwell if I recall correctly, maybe even before that. The English didn't necessarily treat the Irish all that well, kinda gave the good land to rich Lords and the Irish basically became peasants, dependent on the potatoes they grew for food, which is why they got hit so hard when Blight hit the potatoes, causing the famine. The English didn't really handle things all that well, and a particular band of thuggish soldiers known as the black and tans caused a lot of grief, particularly to the catholic community, which was the majority in the south. So the catholics weren't happy with English rule, which led to several uprisings like the Easter Uprising in 1916. Then the IRA started their guerilla warfare in 1920 against the English (led by Michael Collins, an absolute genius tactician). So thats where the IRA (Irish Republican Army) came from, honorable enough to begin with. They wanted a republic, free from British rule. The Loyalists (mostly pro-*test*-('")ants) in the Northern counties wanted to stay under British rule because they were doing all right out of it economically, and were worried this would change. So THEY formed the UVF (Ulster Volunteer Force). Interestingly enough, both the IRA and the UVF fought for Britain in World War I, both hoping to gain favour from the UK government. Anyways, a lot of stuff happened, and eventually the English decided it would be best to try and give them both what they wanted, so they created the Free State (what became Southern Ireland) as a temporary measure, and let the pro-*test*-('")ant majority in the North keep most of the region of Ulster, what has now become Northern Ireland. The idea was that after a while there would be a unite Irish republic eventually. But then the Northern Loyalist politicians started fighting to keep the North under British rule, and the Republican politicians started fighting to get a united Ireland. Then in the 60's, both sides started to get violent. In the 70s it got REALLY violent, and when u have some terrible acts being commited by both sides suddenly its not so much about the noble causes you were fighting for to begin with, but the resentment and sheer hatred for the other side and what THEY'V done that keeps the fighting going. Somewhere along the line, both sides have become like Mafia gangs and all they care about is drug money. They both had politicians fighting for them in parliament (although some of the republican politicians are known ex-IRA murderers, which makes it kind of hard to trust them!), and now these politicians have now formed a shared government in Northern Ireland (stil under British rule), so we'll see how it goes. Obviously theres a lot more to it than that, and there have been some really terrible attrocities committed by terrorists on both sides. But theres been no big bombs since 1997 (the Omagh bomb, the IRA planted a car bomb in one end of the town, told the police it was at the OTHER end of the town, so the cops evacuated everybody right into the bomb), and none in recent years. So yeah, I guess it got to the stage where both communities hated each other, but couldn't really remember why.. and suddenly instead of terrorist organisations you had large drug gangs. BUT, to be honest beside the Omagh bomb and a few in London nothing big has really happened that I can remember in my lifetime, and the majority of people now just want to get on with it and nuild up our country. You still have your hardliner thugs who want to cause trouble, but you have that everywhere, and here most people are just too fed up to listen to them anymore! Anyways, thats a Brief (and probably grossly incorrect) History of the Troubles in Ireland! To summarise... Catholics Vs Pro-*test*-('")ants, nobody won, everybody lost, crowd got bored and went home, and now its perfectly safe for tourists to come and enjoy our beautiful country (no, really, its gorgeous). So come to Northern Ireland, bring your friends and their money!

NigeC- 11-11-2007

Hey Chris, I remember hearing about tension between Ireland and Northern Ireland... what is the basis for that? Seems like everyone had something bad to say about the other one but never a reason to explain it. It was the British, knockin on doors on a Sunday morning floggin religion that started it all... 3 centuries of history condensed into a line! but fatbuoy1 said it so much better :wink:

bigmac- 11-11-2007

Anyways, thats a Brief (and probably grossly incorrect) History of the Troubles in Ireland! To summarise... Catholics Vs Pro-*test*-('")ants, nobody won, everybody lost, crowd got bored and went home, and now its perfectly safe for tourists to come and enjoy our beautiful country (no, really, its gorgeous). So come to Northern Ireland, bring your friends and their money! Awesome... thanks for that! That was very insightful. Unfortunately (in typical US fashion) we don't hear much about your politics or culture in our news and history books because you've never directly offended us. If you haven't noticed, the greater American culture tends to focus on the people in the world who we (or our leaders) are pissed off at and/or have a vendetta against. Meanwhile, I know you guys maintain an awareness of us... I remember being in Dublin the week before the 2004 US Presidential election and hearing an announcement on the radio counting down the days until the election. I thought it very remarkable that places outside our borders would have that kind of interest when half our citizens probably didn't even realize what was going on (and it's stuff like that which makes me want to defect).

Matt Kempke- 11-16-2007

fatbuoy, really interesting summary! thanks BTW I'm planning the trip for the beginning of march... Let's see how that works out. I'll definetly ask more questions soon :)

fatbuoy1- 11-16-2007

Ah well you'll want to be in Dublin for the 17th then, Paddy's Day!

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